think of six and nines at snakes I mean and it's they use a tactic to where they try to bound you up either way you go they use the same thing in basic training it's an enslavement tactic but people use it out here too and it's not good that's why I came up with a secure way to get them people help because there are danger to their self and others and these instigated manipulators they're danger to their self and others because they provoke people to get a response to blame so that's a danger to both parties pay attention Beloud